Something Yocs does is constraining other channels when one is too high so that the velocity follows the vector previously created, just scaled down https://github.com/kobuki-base/velocity_smoother/blob/devel/src/velocity_smoother.cpp#L263-L296. Though in doing so, I don't think its reasonable to try to limit jerk if our own inputs and outputs are just Twist and Odometry, we don't have any acceleration information, let alone jerk. Currently, it is almost following the noisy behavior of the input, because this is within the acceleration limits. privacy statement. So, I was thinking in the direction of reacting to incoming Twist messages on cmd_vel. In the three implementations mentioned above I only see speed limits and acceleration limits. Well occasionally send you account related emails. I was thinking to listen to the original cmd_vel topic and in the callback immediately publish the smoothed version. Also consider the odom_duration to use relative to your odometry publication rate and noise characteristics. It's really helped. By clicking Sign up for GitHub, you agree to our terms of service and Now I feel like a jerk ;) It is designed to take in a command from Nav2's controller server and smooth it for use on robot hardware controllers. Where loop 2 onwards, we were stuck at commanding a velocity the robot would have never been able to move. Additionally, the parameters are signed, so it is important to specify maximum deceleration with negative signs to represent deceleration. nav2_velocity_smoother sounds good to me! It should be an almost perfect match, which is why I was confused to see different behavior on our hardware. https://github.com/yujinrobot/yujin_ocs/tree/devel/yocs_velocity_smoother this is what I've used in previous projects in ROS 1, but not sure if this or another (better) version is available in ROS 2. While we make it possible to specify these separately, most users would be wise to set these values the same (but signed) for rotation. I think in our use case, a deadband from (0.0, 0.5] for cmd_vel would have been useful (linear.x). I had never thought about omni robots and the y-velocity. In the implementation from Care-O-bot (cob) they treat the x and y as independent things to control. Hm , this is a tough issue to generalize. I assumed that I would always get a continuous stream of cmd_vel messages. If we're using it for trajectories generated via other methods, then we should have acceleration and other information we can meaningfully use versus live / noisy data. You signed in with another tab or window. Then I can take a look :)! We can certainly set limits on acceleration manually (e.g. --> however, it does work if we do open loop feedback (e.g. So you only have to differentiate once to calculate acceleration. So it might be that a more manual approach is more appropriate for us, like what @wilcobonestroo is working on? I know this is a usual need for manipulation and high-speed driving. In essence, I want the smoother to either command 0.0 or 0.5. abb; abb_driver; abb_irb2400_moveit_config; abb_irb2400_moveit_plugins It brings up a few questions I'm still working through. I don't actually understand the difference between the 2 methods you mentioned, can you elaborate on the second point? I will say though the few examples of 3D velocity smoothers have removed that feature which is telling. It looks like they all do that in one way or another (timer, while loop, etc). From that, ruckig doesn't quite make sense for our application. I.e. support omni). See branch: https://github.com/ros-planning/navigation2/tree/vel_smoother. It applies limits to linear and angular components of both speed and acceleration. Deadband velocities are minimum thresholds, below which we set its value to 0. The cob_base_velocity_smoother package provides two implementations for a velocity smoother that both read velocity messages (geometry_msgs::Twist) and then publish messages of the same type for "smoothed" velocity to avoid jerky behavior. I feel like this shouldn't be a technology mismatch, but might end up being. Tough problem. It's not an input to Ruckig. <!--. There's also pass_to_input method that appears in the demos but never in the documentation that you could see in my branch I have open questions around precisely its nature (which might be what you're referring to). If you end up numerically differentiating, here's a decent way to do it: it does work if we do open loop feedback (e.g. Moreover, smoothly interpolating by having a higher rate is the best reason for having it that way. Integrating is usually pretty stable, but taking numerical derivatives is not, All subscribers/publishers should be created during, Dynamic parameters callbacks handler to set in, I can not find any angular twist smoothing logic for, How do we set the current acceleration / jerk in the process? I was thinking to listen to the original cmd_vel topic and in the callback immediately publish the smoothed version. I'm not sure the best way off hand to deal with a maximum velocity that is higher than that of the sum of the components. to your account, These are being run in a Docker container (however, doesn't matter). Maybe the velocity differentiation part and/or the Ruckig part itself. motion_velocity_smoother outputs a desired velocity profile on a reference trajectory. Do you have any suggestions of options or techniques? I can pick up this issue and work on a nav2 velocity smoother. See the packages README for more information. The code is mostly ready to be used in galactic, I only had to do some minor modifications to have it working. Odometry makes sure that the new cmd_vel value is within bounds compared to the currently estimated odometry. However we want to (1) use the maximum kinematic limits possible to achieve velocities ASAP and maintain them vs using the full time allotted and (2) be able to proportionately bound the velocities of the axes so that we maintain the same (or as similar as possible) commanded direction. I think for a first-release we can not include jerk, but if @vinnnyr wanted to come in after and include it, that PR would be easily merged. Navigation assumes instantaneous response, so the closer to that we can give, the better performance of tracking would be. I dont think you need a separation between positive and negative velocities. O'Malley's is an independent, family-owned, restaurant established in 1986. Its more about the implementation details that some have bells and whistles others are lacking in. X, Y, Theta), Smooth velocities proportionally in the same direction as commanded, whenever possible within kinematic limits, Provide open loop and closed loop options, Component nodes for use in single-process systems and stand-alone node format. Is this behavior ok? @wilcobonestroo what do you think about that? Setting the update rate to roughly the same as the trajectory planner rate (thing making, Setting the update rate to higher than the controller rate, so 1 velocity command in =. Small correction here: Ruckig doesn't care what the current jerk of the robot is. Implement velocity_smoother with how-to, Q&A, fixes, code snippets. That would get around the numerical differentiation of odometry for closed loop feedback, but then would we be unable to support closed loop feedback? This package contains the Simple Smoother and Savitzky-Golay Smoother plugins. If we added some machine learning or heavy sampling based trajectory planners, I think ruckig would really shine. Merging imminent, thanks @vinnnyr for bringing up this gap. For example, if a local trajectory planner is running at 20hz, the velocity smoother can run at 100hz to provide approximately 5 messages to a robot controller which will be smoothed by kinematic limits at each timestep. I think the big thing would be to look over the other methods and make sure this is the "best" of them or if there are features the others have, we adopt those into the port (e.g. I'm also now thinking if, for illustration purposes, we had a trajectory planner giving us a cmd_vel at 1hz and we have a smoother at 100hz. Frequency (Hz) to use the last received velocity command to smooth by velocity, acceleration, and deadband constraints. In my use case, I do not think multiple deadbands would have been needed. You signed in with another tab or window. I don't have a strong preference about it, but that is what we do in other nodes, Private -> Protected for class so someone can use this as a base class to add some capability later without forking, Create subs / pubs in activate function (or configure if they are lifecycle pub/subs and, You can probably template the get parameter wrappers you wrote so you have 1 implementation that supports all the types, In header, all functions before all member variables, shutdown / cleanup callbacks need to do the opposite of the configure / activate functions. I think that's also the role of the local trajectory planner. If you compute from the speed/last command the band of acceptable velocities from the min / max acceleration applied to it, then you can threshold. I don't see the benefits of this. Yeah, but I'd test with setting the max accels to something lower to see what happens if those little variations are invalid (so it should be smoothed out). | privacy, https://github.com/ros-planning/navigation2.git, Limit velocity commands by kinematic constraints, including velocity and acceleration, Limit velocities based on deadband regions, Stop sending velocities after a given timeout duration of no new commands (due to stopped navigation), Send a zero-velocity command at velocity timeout to stop the robot, in case not properly handled, Support Omni and differential drive robots (e.g. Some only handle X, one of the things to make sure is that it supports omni robots in the Y velocity / acceleration direction. What would be a good name for the package? The aim of this package is to implement velocity, acceleration, and deadband smoothing from Nav2 to reduce wear-and-tear on robot motors and hardware controllers by smoothing out the accelerations/jerky movements that might be present with some local trajectory planners' control efforts. I don't understand the none option yet, but I will have a look at their code to see what it actually does. Would we rather smoothly and slowly, below the kinematic limits of the robot's acceleration, wait the full 1s to get to the target speed, or get there as quickly as possible and maintain state. See its Configuration Guide Page for additional parameter descriptions. Setting the update rate to higher than the controller rate, so 1 velocity command in = N velocity commands out, somewhat applying a smoothing trajectory since each dt its called will update the velocity towards the commanded velocity by the acceleration profile. Using the deceleration constraints you need to make it stop slowly. ros-humble-nav2-velocity-smoother_1.1.2-1jammy.20221019.170612_amd64.deb: 2022-10-19 17:09 : 122K : ros-humble-nav2-velocity-smoother_1.1.2-1jammy.20221019.171440_arm64.deb: 2022-10-19 17:18 : 113K : ros-humble-nav2-velocity-smoother_1.1.2-1jammy.debian.tar.xz: 2022-08-25 13:24 : 2.0K : ros-humble-nav2-velocity-smoother_1.1.2-1jammy.dsc: 2022 . The nav2_velocity_smoother is a package containing a lifecycle-component node for smoothing velocities sent by Nav2 to robot controllers. See the package's README for more information. Location: 104 CO-105, Palmer Lake, Colorado 80133. @vinnnyr Can you describe some use cases or scenarios where you use the deadband issue? This is smoothing out the values, which I agree would be helpful to enforce the constraints. Is there a home for a velocity smoother in Nav2, either as a tutorial, or a full implementation? I started working on the boilerplate code and reading the parameters: https://github.com/wilcobonestroo/navigation2/tree/add-velocity-smoother. Minimum velocities with negatives when moving backward, so backward movement can be restricted by setting this to 0. Is jerk limiting important to you? Actually, that should be more or less what you show with the buffer. This is signed and thus must be negative to reverse. Already on GitHub? A smoothing module implementing the nav2_behavior_tree::SmoothPath interface is responsible for improving path smoothness and/or quality, typically given an unsmoothed path from the planner module in nav2_planner. Also tried apt search ros-humble-nav2 | grep velocity on my host machine with no luck. Do not exceed the smoothing frequency to your odometry frequency in closed loop mode. I don't understand why -- I thought they would be almost identical. In closed loop mode, it is important that the odometry is high rate and low latency, relative to the smoothing frequency. When acceleration limits are set appropriately, this is a good assumption. The behavior is now like this. The two nodes available are: cob_base_velocity_smoother velocity_smoother Hardware Requirements what are typical values? <-- that sounds about right. Currently, it is almost following the noisy behavior of the input, because this is within the acceleration limits. Apologies, I will edit to fit the template soon as possible. (1) would be setting the new_{velocity, acceleration, pose} from the output as the input of the next iteration. Feed the previous Ruckig output state as current state input for the next iteration. @vinnnyr how do you feel about jerk ( see last comment), I started to play with this using ruckig just to see how / if it would work. For setting the current acceleration / jerk, I suppose we could set them all to 0 across the board and then the trajectory generated would assume the extremes for starting/stopping the trajectory. Maximum velocities (m/s) in [x, y, theta] axes. If set approximately to the rate of your local trajectory planner, it should smooth by acceleration constraints velocity commands. Failed to get question list, you can ticket an issue here, a community-maintained index of robotics software Ps. This can be useful when your robot's breaking torque from stand still is non-trivial so sending very small values will pull high amounts of current. See inline description of parameters in the VelocitySmoother. In the other implementations, I also see an approach where the smoother has his own timer (and thus his own publish rate). Although, for the frequency that the local planners are updated at, this might be overkill, but I think its the most appropriate place for it in the mobile robot stack (which would be relatively analog to MoveIt's use of it as well). we assume the last timestep we met the required state and so we can store the last iteration's velocity/acceleration/jerk to use as the "current" in the next timestep). . I have also been playing around some more. Vw) represent left and right turns. If the smoothing frequency out paces odometry or poorly selected odom_durations are used, the robot can oscillate and/or accelerate slowly due to latency in closed loop mode. Update: Yes, this should be resolved after next sync. We are your 'almost heaven' destination in the foothills of the Rockies, offering rich history, unparalleled outdoor life, memorable dining venues, and an arts community of note.Palmer Lake is one of the best kept secrets of the Colorado Front Range! Nice to know other smart people than me also had to think twice if it was worth going into that level of detail . Would be nice actually to have that abstracted architecturally. Should I put it in its own package or add it to an existing one? @vinnnyr what are your thoughts on jerk limiting, how are you measuring acceleration so that you wouldn't be double differentiating noisy velocity data? I will try to finish it this weekend and make a PR. Sign up for a free GitHub account to open an issue and contact its maintainers and the community. Our aim is to add a velocity smoother to Nav2 to take in cmd_vel from the stack and smooth them before throwing into the robot hardware controllers for execution. See its Configuration Guide Page for additional parameter descriptions. I know it would be a near total rewrite regardless of what you've done so far, so I just want to bring it up, but it is not a requirement to use it. Its still in development and incomplete. (PALMER LAKE, Colo.) The Palmer Lake Police Department (PLPD) arrested a man on Thursday, Dec. 1 for making a credible threat to occupants of a commercial . So for closed-loop set them all to 0-s since we can't estimate them reliably? The Nav2 smoother is a Task Server in Nav2 that implements the nav2_behavior_tree::SmoothPath interface. I'm not sure what (2) entails. Timeout (s) after which the velocity smoother will send a zero-ed out Twist command and stop publishing. Well another thing to point out is that these all assume independent X, Y, and Theta velocity channels. --> I'm thinking the latter, which might then argue against using any kind of trajectory libraries, since we would want to use the full limits available to us vs moving below it to use the full time available (is that an option in ruckig? I think there's some natural synergies here to use that for this work potentially. ROS navigation stack with velocity . I think from my current looking, ruckig is not the best choice for us unfortunately for this project which I'm disappointed by since it looks like it could really streamline some things. #2631 will remove acceleration / deceleration limits from RPP due to some issues. That would be fine to do, so you could make some functions that take in the min/max values (or probably a struct containing them) and then pass in each axis into them separately to smooth independently. So, I need to have the node running on its own timer anyway. Also, adding in a "if no command after X time, send 0" in case there's poorly implemented robot base controllers without timeout sequences. rosvelocity smoother. A smoothing module implementing the nav2_behavior_tree::SmoothPath interface is responsible for improving path smoothness and/or quality, typically given an unsmoothed path from the planner module in nav2_planner. so that you wouldn't be double differentiating noisy velocity data? Sign in I don't have any magic answers but it sounds like you're asking the right questions. In open-loop, the node assumes that the robot was able to achieve the velocity send to it in the last command which was smoothed (which should be a good assumption if acceleration limits are set properly). I don't think this is an issue because the velocity smoother is being applied to the commanded velocities, not the measured ones from the robot. I think we can add jerk limits as an option. Typically: if you have low rate odometry, you should use open-loop mode or set the smoothing frequency relatively similar to that of your cmd_vel topic. Planner, Controller, Smoother and Recovery Servers, Global Positioning: Localization and SLAM, Simulating an Odometry System using Gazebo, 4- Initialize the Location of Turtlebot 3, 2- Run Dynamic Object Following in Nav2 Simulation, 2. I wouldn't be opposed to adopting that in Nav2 (with obvious code quality / styling changes). What should be the behavior at the top? I could be wrong, though. Non-SPDX License, Build not available. You have target_state (i) at iteration i. Feed the "nominal target state" from the previous iteration as current state input for the next iteration. Have a question about this project? While this is not required, it is a nice design feature. That helps understanding the deadband issue So there should probably be several options for the behavior in the band. We strive to be the Pub "where everybody knows your name.". Type of feedback to use for the current state of the robots velocity. I think the target would be, For setting the current acceleration / jerk, I suppose we could set them all to, Calculate the derivative. The velocity smoother in the version of Regulated Pure Pursuit (RPP) was in odometry mode. Thanks @AndyZe for the information and help! v1 = v0 + a_limits * t) and threshold within limits, but that's not as smooth as generating a trajectory if new discontinuous commands come in. Depending on your top speed and the simulation time used for the DWB controller, you will almost certainly need a larger map if your robot is faster than a turtlebot3. ROS 2 package for smoothing commanded velocities represented by a stream of geometry_msg/msg/Twist messages. Maybe this would just be something of this sorts: "if my current velocity is in the deadband range, do not apply the acceleration limit based on odom, but rather apply the acceleration limit based only on cmd, or maybe do not apply the acceleration limit at all". This is signed and thus these should generally all be negative. Do you think we should include jerk for the commanded velocity mode? Simply nav2_velocity_smoother? Options to look at for porting / listing features to get the best of all worlds. There can be a timer-based check to see if there are messages coming in or not. Nav2 is the official navigation stack in ROS2. What should be the behavior at the top? There doesn't seem to be any jerk limitation. I need to do some thinking on that, but that feels analogous to the ruckig setting all current accelerations to 0. Is this behavior ok? The aim of this package is to implement velocity, acceleration, and deadband smoothing from Nav2 to reduce wear-and-tear on robot motors and hardware controllers by smoothing out the accelerations/jerky movements that might be present with some local trajectory planners control efforts. Aren't most of those taking odometry messages https://github.com/kobuki-base/velocity_smoother/blob/devel/src/velocity_smoother.cpp#L161 to check and limit the next velocity command by? Our staff is friendly, courteous, and professional. They all appear to be derivative though, so not much difference between them (at first glance). But having a target acceleration of 0 seems rational to me, since that means that we achieved the goal velocity and are using it as steady state. By default, the turtlebot3 configuration uses a 3x3 meter costmap, which is pretty small. The deadband issue was inspired by issues we were fighting with RPP on a robot. Its being used in MoveIt2 and likely to be added to RPP so if we do other kinematics "stuff" it might be good to use to be consistent with other ecosystem projects. Maintainer: Jihoon Lee <jihoonl AT yujinrobot DOT com> Author: Jorge Santos Simon License: BSD Bug / feature tracker: https://github.com/yujinrobot/yujin_ocs/issues In CLOSED_LOOP, it will use the odometry from the odom topic to estimate the robots current speed. What should happen if the orginal cmd_vel is in the deadband? Sign in I have some initial smoothing attempts going on , they treat the x and y as independent things to control. sphinx.ros indigo Packages. Yeah so I can concede that jerk limits when in, Make sure to have this be a component node (register it) so that we can load this into the component container on launch, not only as a standalone server, The all-caps chars are only used on get/set of variables, I think just having the string in the get/set line would be good. In closed-loop, the node will read from the odometry topic and apply a smoother over it to obtain the robot's current speed. With this minimal configuration, I was able to get the robot rolling around autonomously! I think this is a good add for Nav2 to bring more basic navigation capacity 'in house'. The ramp-up and ramp-down seem ok to me. I would suspect the data in most mobile robot motors is too noisy at the speeds we run at to be meaningfully smoothed to a 3rd derivative. In OPEN_LOOP, it will use the last commanded velocity as the next iterations current velocity. smoothernavigationrobot node cmd_vel_muxrobotros app. For the second case, generating a true trajectory sounds awesome so that we can get an optimal profile to work with. But for the first, I don't think generating a trajectory would be any worse than just thresholding. I don't actually understand the difference between the 2 methods you mentioned, can you elaborate on the second point? So that it can be run at a faster rate than local trajectory planner is executing at in order to have a smooth interpolation to "ramp" commands by the regular interval samples? ''' : : ROS QQ: 2642868461 : file content ''' import os from ament_index_python.packages import get_package_share_directory from launch import LaunchDescription from launch.actions import DeclareLaunchArgument from launch.actions import IncludeLaunchDescription from launch . In the three implementations mentioned above I only see speed limits and acceleration limits. It supports differential drive and omnidirectional robot platforms primarily, but is applicable to ackermann as well with some interpretations of Twist. I don't think that should be the default behavior but I'd be fine with that a parameterized option. I think its a fabulous idea for us to have a reference on in Nav2. Sign up for a free GitHub account to open an issue and contact its maintainers and the community. It was built by Steve Macenski while at Samsung Research. This is also something I could commit to working on at some point next year (or over the holidays as a toy project on the plane rides home) if there wasn't external contributor interest. E.g. Update: Yes, this should be resolved after next sync, Nav2-velocity-smoother not found as binary. The aim of this package is to implement velocity, acceleration, and deadband smoothing from Nav2 to reduce wear-and-tear on robot motors and hardware controllers by smoothing out the accelerations/jerky movements that might be present with some local trajectory planners' control efforts. I just noticed I missed the tags here when my input was requested for Jerk. Between me, @AlexeyMerzlyakov and @padhupradheep, you've got resources. In the meanwhile, odom messages can be cached to determine the best odom estimate once a Twist message arrives. This package was created to do the following: This is a lifecycle-component node, using the lifecycle manager for state management and composition for process management. It seems to me like that would probably need to be handled at the trajectory planner or hardware controller level so that either (1) you can make trajectories that are themselves already jerk limited or (2) you have access to raw data in the low levels that might be able to better estimate acceleration / jerk. However, I think it would be really interesting to see if we could use ruckig in the trajectory planners or smoothers to work with theoretical trajectories being generated versus involvement of real data. Note: rotational velocities negative direction is a right-hand turn, so this should always be negative regardless of reversing preference. Phone: 719-488-0321. The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: Confirming the issue: there is no "ros-humble-nav2-velocity-smoother" found at Jammy on docker, or at ros2 distribution packages list (although nav2_velocity_smoother/ exists in humble branch). Nav2 robot jerks frequently on random occasions humble ros2 nav2 navigation costmap move_base tf2 local_costmap asked Aug 12 '22 MrOCW 40 10 26 31 updated Aug 12 '22 Hi, I have tried DWB and RPP controllers but my robot vibrates & jerks very intensely. I think this question is no longer relevant, but indeed I was hoping Jerk could be handled based on cmd_vel alone rather than trying to measure acceleration based off of sensors / localization estimates. The commanded velocities looks at the previous cmd_vel that was send and assumes that the robot follows these commands. Applying kinematic constraints isn't rocket science (see code I linked above) but not sure if there's some additional ideas. In theory you won't have to take 3rd derivatives of noisy mobile base motor data, or am I missing something? Most functionality is in place. We don't have access to that information reliably unless we numerically differentiate the odometry which is unstable for closed-loop feedback. We don't have access to that information reliably unless we numerically differentiate the odometry which is unstable for closed-loop feedback. The buffer is an interesting idea. nav2-amcl. @AndyZe over at PickNik is using Ruckig for MoveIt2, maybe he has some thoughts to share? If your timer runs at a constant rate, why not use that for, Overall, maybe the ruckig library would be nice to use, this should also smooth based on jerk as well (ideally) though we don't have input measurements of acceleration so I'm not sure we should try to attempt it. Moreover, I did not include the deadband yet and I dont know how (or where) to write the documentation. So, in theory you can have a total combined linear speed larger than the max linear speed (e.g. This is in contrast to simply computing a smoothed velocity command in the callback of each cmd_vel input from Nav2. Failed to get question list, you can ticket an issue here, a community-maintained index of robotics software I think this is a good idea. This provides a more regular stream of commands to a robot base and interpolates commands between the current velocity and the desired velocity more finely for smoother acceleration / motion profiles. This allows us to interpolate commands at a higher frequency than Nav2's local trajectory planners can provide. (1) you can make trajectories that are themselves already jerk limited. Is there one band or multiple? How do we set the target acceleration when given an input twist, or should we? I have only tested with X velocity base type. to your account. The map can be loaded at launch or generated with SLAM while navigating. The diagram below will give you a good first-look at the structure of Nav2. If set much higher, it will interpolate and provide a smooth set of commands to the hardware controller. 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